My holdover was minimal at all ranges and even with the sustained winds of 20mph and the frequent 35mph gusts, my windage adjustments never exceeded 2MOA. This was resolved by modifying the magazine lips by slightly opening them (see image). I have been thinking about rebarraling it to a 6 or 6.5 creedmoor to make a long range varmenter. Analyzing the above data, we observe that changing between using standard large rifle primers and large rifle magnum primers did cause a slight change in a few outcomes, including velocity and pressure, during our test: #1. On the first day of what I call a research and informational hunt, we went afield with the rifle. Both dropped. (function(){var cid=document.createElement("script");cid.async=true;cid.src="//seal.digicert.com/seals/cascade/seal.min.js";var s = document.getElementsByTagName("script");var ls = s[(s.length - 1)];ls.parentNode.insertBefore(cid, ls.nextSibling);}()); 5601 116th Ave N These were all 6.5 Creedmoor match-grade ammo but the bullet weights ranged from 120 to 147 grains - so the . Thirty-five grains beneath a 77-grain Tipped MatchKing produced this .46-inch, five-shot 100-yard group. One of the best groups of the entire .22 Creedmoor load test included Bergers 85.5-grain Long Range Hybrid Target bullet over 42 grains of Alliant Reloder 26. Hegstrom skim bedded the recoil-lug area (The stock included a precise aluminum bedding block and didnt require full-blown glass bedding. Now you can own a small frame AR10 rifle chambered in .22 Creedmoor. While this certainly can be used for PRS and tactical competition, the 22 Creedmoor seems to be ideally suited as a high velocity varmint round something to replace the 22-250. The number is in the form of a decimal. For example, shooting the 22 Creedmoor with a moderate handload and Hornadys 75-grain ELD, the bullet leaves the pipe at 3,200 fps and that is not on the hot side for this cartridge. An extra grain of powder broke 3,000 fps but opening that group to an even inch. Im also eager to test powders that excelled with the 90-grain Berger. I had also discovered the .22-250 Ackley Improved closely mirrors the .22 Creedmoor (CM) dimensionally. I have made shots out to 487 yards and continue to push it to the ethical limits on extended range varmint hunting. F4 Defense, in a partnership with Spark Munitions, now also offers their own line of loaded ammunition. I run 77gr Sierra TMKs at 3640fps under 1/2 moa. bare muzzle). The advent of the 6mm Creedmoor immediately had folks necking the hornady 6mm down to 22 cal and upon doing so found virtually the perfect case capacity for heavy weight .224 bullets. I do not think I will ever move away from this speedster. Big magnums it's my go to powder. With those slower burning powders, like H1000 and RL26, we wanted to make sure we used a primer with the most potential to ignite them. Warne 30mm Rings, Suppressor: Red LEARN MORE about the 22 Creedmoor 17 Leonberg Road, Suite 100Cranberry Township, PA 16066. Relatively slow-burning powders were chosen to accommodate the .22 Creedmoors overbore dynamics, leaning heavily on temperature stable formulas and/or those with de-coppering agents when possible. At our 22 Creedmoor muzzle velocity of 3550fps the Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets produces around 2099 ft.lbs of energy, taking it close to medium 6mm bullets or light 308 Winchester rounds. Each of the below loads are over pressure. Bullet Choices for 22 Creedmoor Bullet range? The other that stands out, is at 6:32 in the video. There, the landscape is wide and rolling with cuts as deep as several hundred feet that divide whole sections of soft, smooth hillsides that quickly turn into deep draws that almost require ropes and repelling techniques when retrieving a kill that has been made toward the bottom. The bullet demonstrated excellent expansion. Alpha Munitions, Petersen Cartridge, Quality Cartridge and Hornady offer properly-headstamped brass, though creating .22 CM brass is no more difficult than running factory 6mm CM cases through a full-sizing die, with no trimming required, though some neck turning may be required. Wow that is awsome! KEL TEC SUB-2000 . The Remington Golden Bullet 36 gr has less drag than the CCI Stinger Ammo. This leaves .22-250 Ackley Improved data as a viable starting point. This leaves custom rifles, and for that I turned to Dale Hegstrom, owner of Little Crow Gunworks. The 22 Creedmoor round is just too darn good to pass up, and yes, I see the same pattern in future factory rifles developing. While this certainly can be used for PRS and tactical competition, the 22 Creedmoor seems to be ideally suited as a high velocity varmint round something to replace the 22-250. https://www.facebook.com/22CreedmoorRifles/, https://www.primalrights.com/library/cartridge-guides/22-creedmoor. Redding was kind enough to send us a full 3-die set for this reloading project. The group measured .26 inch center-to-center. Generally the heavier and faster the bullet the more damage it will do to the intended target. 2023 Grand View Outdoors All Rights Reserved Please understand that the bullets and powders we chose to evaluate may not be the most popular among some shooters; however, our goal is to provide a wide spectrum of bullet weights and the powders used with them. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. With a ballistic coefficient of .527, this bullet is long-range ready. One thing we have not yet covered in this data sheet is the difference rifling twist causes, as they relate to pressure. bullets and fast twist rifling, usually 1:8 or even 1:7.5. With the help of our other Varminter brother, David H., we developed a load in QuickLoad that I used to create the first loads for accuracy testing. _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); At 3,200 fps, the bullet requires 0.736 seconds in hang time to go 500 yards; moving out to 1,000 yards takes 2.002 seconds. As with any multi-purpose tool there tends to be compromises., Source: The Amazing 22 Creedmoor A Wildcat Worth a Hard Look, Share the post "22 Creedmoor Versatile Varmint and Tactical Cartridge", Tags: 22 Creedmoor, 6mm Creedmoor, Berger Bullets, GunsAmerica Digest, Jeff Cramblit, Lapua Brass, Peterson Brass. This new cartridge is just a step away from a wildcat round. The following loads were not tested for accuracy or consistent velocity but are just reference points for you to use when working up your own loads. Clear accuracy/velocity winners included Alliant Reloder 23 and 26, Vihtavuori N560, N565 and IMR-4955. If you make a habit of perusing gun magazines, for the past several years you could be excused for believing the 6.5 Creedmoor was the only centerfire cartridge of significance. I also loaded some 95 smks with H4831sc and H1000. https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/22-creedmoor.6255624/. We found him piled up in nook around 12 yards away. JavaScript is disabled. Lastly, some shooters on the internet forums report using our casings to push bullets to extraordinary velocities without any problem. F4 Defense is a top-tier rifle manufacturer who specializes in semi-automatic rifles, specifically small fame AR10s. The 22 Creedmoor will likely be 1-8" twist, for the windy days and 243AI will be fast twist to hit 'em hard in close. Eld-x & m's shoot good in most but some guns hate them. Look at the 22lr ballistics table to compare the muzzle energy at various distances. It is ready for varmints or predators, dealing with windy conditions or even pursuing pronghorn to deer-sized big game. Call our experts: (727) 223-1816 or visit support.mcarbo.com, Our 22LR ammo ballistics chart will give you the bullet ballistic coefficient, muzzle energy, muzzle velocity and bullet drop of 27 different .22LR rimfire cartridges. __dcid.push({"cid":"DigiCertClickID_nrxaWyMP","tag":"nrxaWyMP"}); The .22-250 AI and .220 Swift, with their traditional 1:14 to 1:12 rifling, will always be limited to lighter, low BC bullets and all that entails. I was recently advised that the first Savage 110s in 224 Valkyrie are almost at my door, so I can see a day when we will have a factory-built option in the 22 Creedmoor. Join other outdoor enthusiasts who already get great content delivered right to their inbox. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. My 22creed is one of them. The custom Surgeon rifle featured a 22-inch barrel, and I decided to shoot the test without the suppressor attached (i.e. The range on the first rockchuck was 150 yards and the results were devastating!! I figured if i can find the right COAL while breaking in the barrel it would be a plus. A MAGPUL magazine well kit was added. These cartridges include (from left) the .22-250 Remington, .22 Creedmoor and .22-250 Ackley Improved. This .39-inch, five-shot 100-yard group resulted from 41 grains of IMR-4955 Enduron powder beneath a Hornady 80-grain ELD Match bullet. To improve your firearm performance look at the MCARBO Firearm Performance Accessories. 22 McGowan Barrel (5R 1:8 Twist) $500, Optic: Though gun writers cant seem to discuss anything else today, the round never really grabbed me. I live in an area where hunting rockchucks is a short drive away, so on Saturday, June 6, 2020, I grabbed my .22 Killmore and my reloaded ammo and went out looking for some of these larger varmints! That's well over Mach 3! JavaScript is disabled. In addition to the 6.5 and 6mm Creedmoor cartridges, now there's a new Creedmoor on the block, the .22 Creedmoor. Bergers 90-grain VLD Target and 44 grains of Vihtavuori N565 produced this .30-inch group at 3,100 fps. Hunting the White River country in central South Dakota presents its own set of problems in terms of locating coyotes that are in gunning range. Both sets of rounds were fired in our lab, using our universal receiver, which has a 24 barrel. The .22 Creedmoor is an excellent varmint round, for both small, to larger coyote sized animals. It found favor among hunters and PRS competitors. Since there is not yet a SAAMI spec for the 22 Creedmoor, the cartridge is officially still a wildcat. The charge is low and i expect to end up in the 42-43gr range but its new brass and a new barrel so trying to find a charge weight and FPS wouldn't help right now. Based off the 6.5 Creedmoor case and that new family of centerfire cartridges, the 22 Creedmoor, while still in the development stage in terms of factory offerings, is turning some heads. However, we could not directly test this theory, since, at this time, we do not possess the requisite equipment. Here are five Cooper Creek options with Sierra and Berger bullets: In addition, multiple companies are now selling 22 Creedmoor cartridge brass: Alpha Munitions, Atlas ADG, Hornady, and Peterson Cartridge. Winchester StaBALL 6.5 didnt shine until reaching a 40-grain maximum load, printing .36 inch at 3,244 fps. This is where I'd start. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I settled on the load that gave me the 0.50 groups at 3700 feet per second and proceeded to test bullet performance on some local rockchucks. All of the following data was gathered by our ballistician in our indoor ballistics lab located in our factory in Pennsylvania. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Reloder 16 printed a .54-inch group at only 2,821 fps with 35.5 grains of powder and .64 inch with an added grain of powder at 2,910 fps (12-fps extreme velocity spread). Fireformed Remington .22-250 AI brass holds 50.5 grains of water and a new Hornady .22 CM case 51.0 grains. Improved Military Rifle IMR 7977. I currently have H-1000, H4831SC,and Retumbo on hand, as well as federal 210-m primers and virgin Hornady 22 Creed brass. We hope the above data will help you shoot your .22 Creedmoor with greater confidence that the load you have developed to work in your rifle not only shoots great but is also at a safe working pressure. Will Chambers If you have any other specific questions just let me know. The Timney Trigger was adjusted to break at a crisp 1.53 pounds. Bill reports: "Muzzle velocities ranged from 2,893 ft/sec at 24 to 2,598 ft/sec at 16 for a decrease in muzzle velocity of 295 ft/sec. It is also remarkably accurate. Also, please try our new extremely accurate loaded ammunition, which is available at https://www.grafs.com/. Only one of nine A-Tip loads printed groups larger than an inch, with one right at an inch. Shot 2 antelope with my 77gr TMK load last fall. _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); The first group is just touching the lands and then backed it off by .010 for each of the next 4 groups. It wasnt a bang or even a pop, but a soft snap like a stick breaking far away. Theoretically, the bullet will encounter less resistance in a slower twist barrel due to the rifling not slowing the bullet down as much, thus putting a faster rate-of-twist on the bullet as it passes through the barrel. accuracy or consistent velocity, but are just reference points for you to use when working up your own loads. 40-42grs will probably be your sweet spot. Smith, along with Lakota guide Big John Willcuts, locked down their bipods on a ridgeline about 600 yards off to our right. Daniel Y The .22 Creedmoor (and this rifle especially) is a definite winner. The latest generation in Remington Core-Lokt ammo is available with Remington Core-Lokt Tipped 6.5 Creedmoor 129 Grain Centerfire Rifle Ammo. However, we think that the cartridge is better suited for lighter 65-80 grain bullets. Reloading- What pressure signs do you stop at. Reviewer Jeff Cramblit built a 22 Creedmoor rifle and tested it with a variety of bullet weights. The notable difference is .22 CM rifles are normally equipped with faster rifling twists to stabilize heavier, higher BC bullets. Price for a 22 Creedmoor build really depends on components selected. My average shot on coyotes is between 200 and 300 yards and about the same on crows. So does having a higher FPS help when it comes to semi auto pistols and rifles? Cliff T Improved Military Rifle IMR 7828 SSC. Velocity was pretty good with rl 26 at around 3100, but I'm getting 3000 with 4350 with low es and way more consistent groups. The R17 gave me everything I was looking for and availability at the time was not an issue. 22-250 Remington is its name, and speed is its game: This .22 caliber rifle cartridge boasts a muzzle velocity that can exceed 4,000 fps. According to Derek Peterson, President of Peterson Cartridge, We decided to build the tooling to make our .22 Creedmoor brass in response to the uptick in long-distance predator and varmint hunting. The second was for shooting PRS (Precision Rifle Series) style matches on occasion, and the third was for hunting deer-sized game. When I had the opportunity to hold a 6mm Creedmoor next to a .22-250 Remington, my assumptions proved somewhat overblown. 22 LR Muzzle Energy: 22 long rifle muzzle energy is measured in foot pounds to determine the destructive potential of the bullet. Fundamentally, we believe that reducing/slowing the twist rate in your rifle (e.g. 88s in mine were running 3550fps. I don't have my book with me at work. Hello all, I am currently building my first 22 Creedmoor and plan on shooting the 88gr ELD-M from Hornady. Though .250 AI recipes rarely include bullet weights exceeding 60 grains. H4350 would be my powder of choice. Good luck with the rifle. While there are variations in the level of bullet performance depending on elevation and other related atmospheric conditions, the bottom line is this new cartridge is in the class of very fast movers down range. Magnum primers increased our velocity standard deviation (SD) and extreme spread (ES) by 7 fps and 14 fps, respectively. Now theres a new Creedmoor kid on the block, the 22 Creedmoor. There were four of us in our hunting party, so we split up and covered two sides of a long draw that seemed custom-made for a called song dog. 22, 6mm and 2 6.5s. The system feeds well and allows for faster unloading. Leaning toward the more conservative number of 1300 ft-lbs, the same 22 CM bullets combinations are good out to 300- 400 yards. The Hornady 80-grain ELD Match enters the realm of true long-range territory, owing a .485 BC, and handily exceeding the .450 threshold I consider a touchstone for varmint shooting beyond 400 yards, especially when wind stirs. My reasons for this recommendation are numerous, but the results in pictures and on the video(s) released, solidify my reason for making this suggestion. The primers were also of Match grade quality. var __dcid = __dcid || []; Although the Nosler and Valkyrie, shooting 55-60 grain projectiles, have a decent following with the predator hunting crowd, running the ballistics on the .22 Creedmoor and a slightly heavier bullet showed that it would outperform the two with both speed and energy. Plus the round is just straight-up fun to shoot. Still, finding .22 Creedmoor load data proved hit and miss with plenty of spooky loads floating around internet chatrooms. I am good friends with a local rancher who grows crops and runs cattle in Idaho. In doing that, regardless of what bullet and powder one chooses, if you have access to a chronograph and a powder burn rate chart, you will be able to estimate a safe maximum pressure load for your rifle chambered in .22 Creedmoor. Hegstrom prepared the blank, producing a 26-inch finished length with muzzle threads to accept a suppressor, included a recoil lug and trued the action and bolt head. Ranging back to me at the calling stand, the range finder returned 1,017 yards. Impressive what heavy 22 cal bullets can do. The 22 Creedmoor's' standard is a 1-in-7/1-8-inch fast-twist barrel, combined with the increased case volume to push long and heavy .22 bullets at over at 3,450 feet per second. Although H4350 works well in the .22 Creedmoor when using mid-weight bullets, it does tend to cause pressure spikesearlier than, say, RL26when you are using heavy-for-caliber bullets like the Sierra 90 grain and 95 grain MatchKing. This was the first bullet I shot through this fresh barrel. })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. Besides having created a ton of helpful articles on reloading, and shooting in general, Primal Rights also produces and sells some advanced reloading equipment and rifle parts. What kind of velocity are you guys getting with the 75s or 80s out of the Creedmoor? This time, Eric Mayer met me and brought his video equipment. We took the different bullet and powder combinations and loaded them up to the SAAMI Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) for the 6.5 Creedmoor and 6 Creedmoor cartridges, which is 62,000 psi. The thing that makes that rifle sing, besides the chassis design and precision turret system, is its 1:7.7 rifling that stabilizes long-for-caliber 6mm bullets with exceptional ballistic coefficients (BC). Im hopeful A-Tip groups will tighten as the barrel breaks in. I have listed below a few of the companies that produce quality components, supplies, and rifles related to .22 Creedmoor. Mine has 1/10 twist and works well with 4451 powder and 55-60 gr. The Satterlee Arms builds are ultra-high-performance rifles. Of course you can neck down high-quality Lapua 6mm Creedmoor brass. If you are looking at a new varmint cartridge, I highly recommend the .22 Creedmoor. I ran this brass through Hornadys Custom Grade full-length dies, uniformed necks on my old Lyman Universal trimmer and chamfered each mouth on Hornadys Lock-N-Load Case-Prep Trio. We then tested those loads in our universal receiver so we could record a pressure for each load. David Hillis, Jr. Cache Carlson We chose the magnum primers to reflect the typical powders used when handloading the .22 Creedmoor. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? I had a great .25 moa load at 41 gr but after about 50rds the velocity jumped 100fps and the bolt started getting sticky and I had to drop the load a full grain. It will make a great rockchuck and predator combo. I could not argue with his logic. The 220 Swift certainly has the speed at muzzle velocity, but once you're shooting out past 400-500 yards, the 22 Creedmoor quickly outshines the competition in each category we looked at. 22 Creedmoor may not be useful for PRS since velocity is limited at a maximum of 3200 fps, and most guys using 6mm are using heavier bullets and still getting around 3050-3100 fps. The 6.5 Creedmoor with 142 SMK and 17 barrel shot inside the 308 Winchester 175 SMK 22 barrel out to 1,000 yards. ELD Match 80269 2790 2564 2349 2144 1950 1764 1262 1066 . Jake Dempsey New Hunter Experience One of the benefits of a cartridge being standardized by SAAMI is that manufacturers who publish loading manuals will begin publishing load data for the new cartridge. Bullet choice became more excruciating. I run a 28in 7 twist barrel on mine. For reference, note that, after we gathered all of our test data, we searched popular internet forums to gather information about loads that shooters were currently using in their .22 Creedmoor rifles. Anybody have any suggestions on starting loads in the 75- 80.5 gr. Okay thanks. In fact, all 80-grain ELD Match loads printed less than an inch, only one breaking .75 inch. The higher the number the lower the drag of the bullet. Please check out their article on the .22 Creedmoor here https://www.primalrights.com/library/cartridge-guides/22-creedmoor, and you can check out their website here http://www.primalrights.com/. var _gaq = _gaq || []; None of the Big-Five rifle makers have expressed interest in the .22 Creedmoor at this time. Because of the velocity, lightweight bullets tend to lose their jackets when sent down the pipe of a 22 Creedmoor, and the rifle seems to take a liking to heavier pills. https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/22-creedmoor.6255624/page-4#post-7515373, How to get to max velocity with unknown data, 42g H4350 (avg 3500 fps) *brass showing signs of pressure* (how ever this load is EXTREAMLY accurate for my rifle), 37.5 Reloader 23 (avg 3215 fps) ***tightest group***, 38.5g Shooters World H4350 (avg 3094 fps), 38.5 N555 (avg 3183 fps) ***EXTREAMLY ACCURATE and ZERO pressure signs*** will be cranking this load up and will update on speed/pressure, 41g H4350 (avg 3506 fps) some ejector swipe marks *some signs of pressure* (VERY accurate load for my rifle), 40.5 g H4350 (avg 3564 fps) bullets broke apart before 100 yards, 41g H4350 (avg 3578 fps) bullets broke up before 100 yards. The .22 Creedmoor is an excellent varmint round, for both small, to larger coyote sized animals. Is the KEL TEC SUB-2000 California legal. This takes place not with the Swifts lightweight 55-grain bullets, but heavy weights that run into the 75- and 80-plus grain weights. Gemtech One Suppressor 22 Creedmoor Load Data Since its' inception, in 2007 by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor has seen some pretty meteoric growth in popularity. My stock should be in next week then i'll give them a go and i can let you know. I'm hoping it will be a laser out to about 400 if I zero at 200 for hunting purposes when I may not have time to get a positive range. Horizon Firearms, located in College Station, Texas, produces some of the finest bolt action firearms on the market today. . It is a low-recoil, flat shooting, wind-bucking round [that is] deadly accurate up to 800 yards., When we designed the tooling for the .22 Creedmoor we set out to make casings with improved features, Peterson added. Learn how your comment data is processed. New casings were used for both tests. The 105-115 gr bullets they favor make it easier to see their impacts at long range. I will probably be using 4350 as I have plenty of it, but ive got some rl25 and 26 as well. When taking a look at this new cartridge, its dead simple to handload and tends to outstretch the .22 Swift when ballistic comparisons are made. Not sure on barrel life. This is important when you create your own rounds, but even more so with wildcat cartridges, like the .22 Creedmoor. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 22lr muzzle energy is the kinetic energy of the bullet as it leaves the muzzle. Rl26 is you can find it. Also mag feeding of the Creedmoor case is far superior to the 22-250ai A 1:7" 22-250 with the 80.5 vld's is a great option too!
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